DRIVESHAFT VIBRATIONS

  • This info might be usefull to anyone with worn driveline components and or vibrations.


    There are two shafts joined in the centre by an unconventionally fitted universal joint.
    At the tranny end there is a Guibo (Italian for big black rubber joiner gizmo) and at the diff end an almost conventional C.V. joint the allows for a small amount of back and forth movement.


    There is a bearing in a cage that bolts to the floor at the centre join which is unique to BMW. Its a German brand bearing that is sealed front anfd rear but its wder than the common bearing with a similar part number so allow enough time oof road to procur one through a bearing company if you dont want to contribute to the BMW benevolent society fund.


    CAUTION WHEN SPLITTING THE SHAFTS for replacing the bearing or cage. The yokes are not marked to identify the correct re assembly point and there is onl one position that will give you the same balance as you had prior. Rember to mark them accordingly as there are about 28 splines and only one is correct fit which means you could spend forever trying the other 27 positions to get rid of the vibration you have just casued!
    The Rubber Guibo gizmo is a common cause of vibration in the driveline. seems they are good for about 80,000 to 100,000 klms and then they crack and or go out of round.


    Similarlty the rear tranny mounts (two of) disintegrate and will cause vibes and or a clunk in reverse as the rotation/torque changes direction. Replace them while you have it apart. they are cheap and can be found non BMW.




    The replacement of any component is time consuming but easy


    1. raise the car onto safety stands or a hoist.
    2. drop the entire exhaust from the front joins
    3. renove the heat shield
    4. remove the tranny rear support bracket after supporting the tranny
    itself from dropping. two 13 mm bots at the top of the mounts need to
    be opened a turn then it just slips backwards and out
    5. undo the three bolts that hold the Guibo gizmo to the tranny flange
    leaving it attached to the shaft
    6. undo the six nuts on the CV about two turn and tap the bolts with the
    crimp nut still attached. They have a tight fit spline in the CV and to
    enable the assemby to come out you need to work the bots right out
    7. drop the bearing cage AFTER MARKING THE POSITION WITH SOME
    PAINT. That way you know it will go back to where it wasnt a problem.
    8. it's almost ready to drop by itself but you may need to gently pull at
    the joint


    Reassembly is the reverse but look closely at the Guibo Gizmo before
    removing. It has arrows to front and rear so be aware of which arrows
    mate with which flange. Same goes for the C.V if you pull it apart. Best
    to just force some new grease in without dissassembly.


    Finally the universal joint. It's a bastard design only because the cups
    are not held in with circlips or like anything you will have seen before.
    Look closely you will see that the yokes are sort of crimped to stop the
    ups from coming out. If removed there is no way for most workshops to
    reinstall (at least on a permanent basis) and certainly you can't centre
    the Uni which guarantees it to be 'out of balance'.


    There are specialist balancing engineers around that have
    made jigs and special tools but be confident in their abilty and that they
    regularly do BMW or Mercedes shatfs 'coz they are very diffent from
    anything else you have seen before.



    In summary, it sounds complicated but it's not. Any home mechanic or
    enthusiast with a few tools any safety stands can do this job. Take your
    time and think about each step as you go and you will save yourself a
    lot of hard earned that would be better spent on a nice set of wheels or
    whatever flicks your switch!


    Theo from Australia

  • Change-over


    Hi Theo!
    great write-up! I have a cyclic vibration in my driveline as well, and I fear it's one of the components you mentioned. I have no doubt that I could perform the proceedure, but my question is this: is there any reason to have such a complex and apparently short-lived system in the first place? What I am getting at is, would it possibly be more cost effective to convert the whole shebang (thechnical term, that) to standard u-joint arrangement? U-joints are robust and have proven themselves nearly vibration free in many applications. Plus since the differential does not move, there would be little misalignment.
    I know this isn't how the teutonic "uber-engineers" designed it, but looking at some of the things they did on these cars, I think thery were smoking Rye!
    Thoughts?

  • Richard hi I have been away hence the delay. I can get you the part no worries as I have now sourced several different suppliers. I have recently bought a whole big bunch fo stuff from the USA including Fan Hub/clutches for V12 & V8 at prices well below the stealers.


    I will get an exact price and post it on Monday or Tuesday. I also have some front caster arem bushes (genuine) if anyone wants them.


    Cheers
    Theo

    THEO HOFFS
    MELBOURNE'S CLUB of EIGHTS/
    PIECES of EIGHTS PARTS
    VICTORIA
    AUSTRALIA

  • M.Rad hi to you also, same apology.


    Check the Guibo first. It seems that is the mopre common failure. They go hard and crap themselves at around the 100 klms, I'm told by a parts reseller who sells plenty for all BM's. Usually they split and wind up but they can also sag after sittinf for a while.


    The other is the centre bearing support which is another bastard part because the bearing itself which presses out of the holder is made for BMW and there is no cross reference to any other aftermarket brand and wait for it................ they want drug money for what should be a $30 part.


    It seems the uni in the centre goes a long way before it dies so with a little luck it ma be jsut the Guibo.


    As for going to a conventional setup, you cant because there is no slip yoke like on a conventional tranny. Its actually in the centre so we are stuck with the end product of the stuff they smoked to get clever on.


    Actually the design but for thr non replaceable joints is quite clever is it does dampen the cyclic vibration if it is all ok.


    Not sure where you are but likewise im happy to buy one on your behalf if you get stuck
    Theo

    THEO HOFFS
    MELBOURNE'S CLUB of EIGHTS/
    PIECES of EIGHTS PARTS
    VICTORIA
    AUSTRALIA

  • Hi Richard
    I don't see a Guibo listed for the Automatic in the ETK, just a front U-joint. The Guibo as the front u-joint is quite plainly displayed for the 6 speed though.


    These folks do 8 series drive shafts. When I put in the new anti-roll bars I plan on putting one of their rebuilds in my 8. A complete unit was around $400 US (plus core) about a year ago IIRC, can't find the e-mail.


    http://www.driveshafts.com/


    Once again the "Overseas" thing comes up but they do driveshafts for Papermills and 90% of that business seems to be in Asia right now. So Maybe!

    It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. Mine sometimes feels that way.


    Terry


    1995 840Ci
    1991 850i
    Woodland Washington USA

  • Propshaft..?


    or perhaps Id better replace the entire propshaft since the clunk from my rear end was'nt improved after I replaced pretty much the entire rear axle, bushings control arms etc - its still there ...consistent with tapping on and off the accellerator in the rear section of the car - my mechanic reckons its the propshaft , so am I to undersatand there is no Guibo on an 850i ?
    Cheers mate
    Maybe I ought to wait until Ive replaced my susoension as the rear offside is VERY bad and it could be causing the clunk?
    Richard :oops::?

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