Alpina Restoration

  • Quote from rogbmw;99931

    Wolf - yes they will all be coming out. The back glass is actually "off" the car, but just sitting there in the picture. All the rest of the glass will be out before all the stripping is completed. Doors will be coming off this week and glass out of them, as well as the rear side windows. But, no yellow paint will be going on :grin2:, just plain silver!


    :top: good to hear. I admit I haven't read every post in this thread but from what I've read I got the strong impression that this is going to be a "I ignore the cost" restoration which these installed windows just didn't match. ;)


    One most likely obsolete hint from someone who went through this before:
    I also had every removable body part removed and painted separately. After completion of the body I had all kinds of yellow shades on it. Headlight covers didn't match the hood, trunk lid didn't match the rear quarter panels etc. As you can imagine that I was not amused to say the least. And to make it even worse the body shop owner told me:
    "It's not a good idea to paint all parts separately because then you risk not to meet the same color tone on all parts." I asked him if he just found out about it or if he knew this before and if so WTF he nevertheless did it. To make a long story short, we're not friends anymore and on my next project I will tell the painter how to do the job and I won't give a damn how much of a pro he is supposed to be:
    Remove ALL body parts
    Paint everything from inside
    Assemble the body
    Do the outside paint shop


    As I said, most likely / hopefully obsolete to tell you.


    Cheers and keep us posted on the progress
    Wolf

  • Thanks Wolf...I have to not get too crazy about the painting and all the costs of the restoration as I don't want to end up sleeping in the garage! Gary and I have spoken often about everything matching. All parts will be done off the car, then put back on and finished. He is actually mixing all the paint at one time which will be used on the car so all containers will all be the same color of silver. From the other cars I have seen his work on, I have total faith in his painting. Thanks for the encouragement!

    BMW 850 CSi
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    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

  • Update 6.22


    Here are some more pictures. The hood has been finished - look at the reflections of the filters on the walls and the lights overhead, including the wires!

    I just received some pictures of the painted shell last night from Gary. First two are after 3 coats of Silver, the second 2 are after several coats of Clear. The car will be block sanded down to 3000 just like the hood and other parts.

    The windows are not in the car, and all the metal underneath has been prepped and painted underneath. They have just been laid in placed to help close the openings during painting.

    The Hood (which has been polished and finished):






    The body shell without the clear:





    With several coats of Clear. This is before any wet sanding or polishing:




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  • Well....finally able to get some more done today after a lay-off due to no spare time. The car is back home, and now I am turning my attention to the engine bay:


    Air filter boxes removed.
    Fan and fan clutch removed
    Radiator shroud and old yellow overflow bottle removed
    All front radiator hoseshttp://forums.bimmerforums.com…howthread.php?p=25044501# removed
    Aux water pump and valve removed at firewall
    Acoustic cover removed
    Windshield washer bottle removed
    Charcoal canister removed
    Cabin Filter housing removed
    Water lines into heater core blown out (in preparation to replace heater core)


    I will be removing the intake manifolds to have them repainted, and placing new intake manifold gaskets. I will check the Banjo bolts at the same time when everything is removed from the top side just to make sure they are torques to spec. Belts and hoses look good, but I will go ahead and replace them along with new tensioner pulleys. The car has the Aux alternator, so it will be cleaned up and a new belt placed.


    I knocked one of the side skirts off the storage shelf and scratched it pretty badly (to where I can't buff it out) so it will go back to Gary to be repainted.


    More to come....I just need more time in the week

    BMW 850 CSi
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    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

  • UPDATE 9/16/12

    Spent all day yesterday stripping the top of the engine down. Read through all the go-bys on removing the intake manifolds, and found out some things that were not mentioned elsewhere:

    1. When removing the wire harness on top, at least on my Alpina (92 build year) the wire harness taps into the coils on each side, and also has a wire that goes down to the alternator that has to be removed from a very tight spot. These all have to be detached to lift up the harness up and away from the front of the motor - I did not find this mentioned anywhere. I also have the second alternator, but I do not think this had anything to do with the alternator wire.



    2. Running down where the intake attaches to the head on the right (passenger) side of the motor, and on top of the intake, is a hard set of fuel lines that makes it necessary to remove the intake attached to the drivers (left) side first. If you do not, you can not get the other side out first as this set of fuel lines has to be removed before you can remove the intake manifold. Steffen told me that the drivers bank manifold had to be removed first - thanks for the tip Steffen.

    3. Since the top side of the motor had been reworked at Alpina I do not know if this is on all 8s, but there is what looks like an asbestos shield above the water lines in the valley. Does other 8s have this as standard, or did Alpina put it on when they did their work?



    4. My fuel injectors do not have the little cap over the ports on the end. There are 3 of them (will try to take a picture this weekend as the fuel rails are out. Is this normal, or did Alpina put in different injectors?



    BMW 850 CSi
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  • My Lucus injectors seem to be working fine (the car only has 38,000Km). Since I have everything apart, would it be recommended to change them, or keep the original Lucus injectors?

    BMW 850 CSi
    BMW 8er.org Clubs International (B8CI) Board Representative, USA and North America
    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

  • Think most of us dont trust Lucas injector´s
    because if the middle breaks out it could damage the zylinder´s wall!


    so to prevent later damage.. change them..


    maybe this is an alternative


    LINK


    has somenbody else tested the Gen3 Injectors?

    Alle sagten es geht nicht, bis einer kam der das nicht wusste und es einfach machte...:winkwink:

  • UPDATE 10/7/12

    I ordered and received 12 new Bosch injectors from Bill Fox - he has them for a GREAT price - $30 each! (He also owns the company that federalized the car for me.)

    I was able to get a little more done this weekend. First of all, took off the Pentosin canister to be cleaned and powdercoated....felt like I was fighting an octopus. Sorry - it only had 6 lines going to it instead of 8. Here it is after finally getting it out....



    Next I took off the valve covers to have them powdercoated silver, and to check the Banjo bolts. All bolts are tight, and the inside of the heads are clean as you would expect on a 38,000km car...



    You can also see in the above picture a little better the heat shield above the water pipes. Not sure if this is standard, or something Alpina added when they redid the manifolds and other things they did on the motor.

    Now I have all sorts of bits to powder coat, paint and clean up.....

    BMW 850 CSi
    BMW 8er.org Clubs International (B8CI) Board Representative, USA and North America
    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

  • Awesome job...I was wondering what you are doing with the wheels that came on the car? If you had mentioned it already, please accept my apologies for rushing through the posts on the thread.

    Almahdi 'Matti' Alwazir
    1991 850ci Black/Black
    1999 M Coupe Estoril/Estoril-Black (S50B32)
    2002 M Coupe Sapphire Black/Black (S54)

  • Update 11/5/2012

    Was able to do a "little" more work on the car this weekend. I noticed before everything was taken apart for the painting that there was a very slight antifreeze smell when the heater was on, so it was time to replace the heater core. So...yesterday I tore into the dash while things for the engine bay were being powder coated. Called a couple of people, and was able to get in touch with Wuffer, and he walked me through a couple of steps. When it was time to lift the dash out I went over and got my neighbor (Marcia was not home), and he helped me lift the dash out - and his eyes got real big and he said "Holy S*#@" when he saw everything. I had the new heater core in last night at 7, so this week I will take the opportunity to clean everything up, attach the new DOT VIN plate, and put it back together. I have attached several photos:

    Photos with the cover off showing the old core:



    View through the sunroof:



    Old Heater Core - NOTE the yellow plastic just like the old yellow overflow bottles:



    New Heater Core in and case closed up:



    e31 Dash - some assembly required! This photo shows the new heater core with black plastic:

    BMW 850 CSi
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    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

  • Quote from Racer MXM;104821

    Awesome job...I was wondering what you are doing with the wheels that came on the car? If you had mentioned it already, please accept my apologies for rushing through the posts on the thread.



    The original 5 Alpina wheels have been refinished, and will go on the car at the end with new Michelins.

    BMW 850 CSi
    BMW 8er.org Clubs International (B8CI) Board Representative, USA and North America
    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

  • Update 12 - 19-2012

    Have not posted for a while....so here is the latest:

    I have received the powdercoated valve covers, brackets and Pentoisin canister back from the coater. While there I was talking with them and happened to ask if they knew of anyone who did Cad plating in the area. It just so happened that they not only knew of a shop, but that it was only 3 blocks from them and local. For any of you that have looked into re-cadmium plating parts, it is becoming very hard to find a place to do it as is very user-unfriendly, and the EPA is heavily involved. So I call up the place - and speak to one of the owners. Not only are they local and can do it, but I actually know the co-owner's wife through work. So now - I am going through all the bags of stuff taken off (I keep the bolts, nuts, and plates in bags with the particular item), and am beginning to take pictures of items so I know where they will go when I get back a big pile of plated parts. I hope to have a big bunch of stuff ready when they start back after January 1 to take and have cad plated.

    A few other items - I have received modified headlight adjusters from Germany and they are very well done.

    Although my Banjo bolts are still tight, since the valve covers are off I will be redoing them, and have received new drilled bolts from Gerry from Phoenix Motorsport from England.

    Since I had the oil filter housing out, I took it into the lab and polished it up, along with the round distributor housings (the round aluminum housings in front of each head).

    I hope to have all the remaining items off the front of the block this week for cleaning, polishing and repainting as needed.

    I have removed all the aluminum heat shields from the exhaust and below the engine, have cleaned them up and polished them to look new again.

    New motor mounts are in.

    I have finally determined that "Mission Creep" does not justify everything...oh well...at least Marcia knows where to find me if I am not in the house.

    More to come........
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    UPDATE 12-27-2012


    This past weekend I ended up sorting out a big bunch of bolts, nuts, washers, brackets, etc to get ready to be Cad plated. Kinda scary when you think about it. I have everything I have taken off the car in individual zip-lock bags and labeled. Then this weekend, I took everything out of the boxes and bags, made myself a sheet of paper with a metric ruler, and took 133 photographs of every nut, bolt and plate on the paper with each individual name and where it came from - then I tossed everything in one bucket . Hopefully after I get everything back from the plater, I can use all the photographs to know where everything goes.


    I picked up a blasting cabinet from Harbor Freight for $62 (it has a very small dent - hence the low price), along with some glass bead medium, and will bead blast all the pieces after soaking and cleaning them. Then off to be Cad plated. While they are there, I plan on blasting some of the aluminum brackets and other pieces prior to some more painting.


    Damn mission creep....

    BMW 850 CSi
    BMW 8er.org Clubs International (B8CI) Board Representative, USA and North America
    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

  • 1-4-2013 UPDATE

    Dropped 227 items at the plater yester for CAD plating. They do all sorts of stuff. The co-owner took me through their facility. You name the plating, they do it. They had work there from Disney, the Military, several gun manufacturers. The place was super-clean and organized, they had their own metal laboratory, furnaces for heat treating items, and all sorts of other stuff.

    Also repainted some of the pulleys and brackets. I will get pictures to show.

    Presently am awaiting two boxes - one from Gault and one from AutohausAZ with more items.

    Looks like in a week or two I may get to start putting things back together rather than keep taking things off!

    BMW 850 CSi
    BMW 8er.org Clubs International (B8CI) Board Representative, USA and North America
    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

  • 1-22-2013 Update


    Been busy so I have not been able to do much, but did pick up the items from the CAD plater.

    I had one of those "OH SHI#" moments on Friday - was taking off the valley cover when one of the bolts snapped off!!! I was thinking that - OH No - I'm screwed! It looked pretty cruddy around the edges and because everything was taken off above it, there would be no better time to remove it, clean it up and place a new gasket. All the bolts seemed difficult to remove, as if they had thread lock on them. Anyway, the bolt half way back on the passenger side abruptly broke with only about 1/2 initial turn. I was lucky as I was able to get all the others out and remove the cover. About 1/4 inch was sticking out above the block, so I applied several squirts of WD40 over about 2 hours, then put a pair of vice grips locked onto the end sticking out, and with a little nudging, it unscrewed! Luck me!!! I should have taken a picture, but was too much in the panic mode to think of a picture at the time. So, new bolts, washers and a gasket have been ordered.

    Here is a picture of a few of the items from the CAD plater. All in all there were around 230 items.


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    Here are some pictures of the engine without the valley cover. Notice the green sponge in the back so nothing goes down that way!!


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  • I'm amazed and impressed with the courage and tenacity you have shown in tackling such a massive job - the finished result should be a car in better than new condition as I don't think BMW Assembly-line workers would take as much care as you are doing! Lookign forward to further updates and of course, the finished project!

    Nr Welshpool, Powys, Wales[INDENT]E31 840 Ci Sport - 1999
    VW Passat Alltrack - 2013
    Mercedes SLK 320 - 2002
    Toyota Rav4 - 1997[/INDENT]

  • Quote from Balbo01;107989

    And because you have everything open, don't forget to save your Banjo Bolts for the future with


    Parts like this.


    Yes - I will be redoing the Banjo Bolts. I sent Engl an email, but I think it may have been lost somewhere as I did not hear back.

    BMW 850 CSi
    BMW 8er.org Clubs International (B8CI) Board Representative, USA and North America
    Editor, E31 NEWS International E31 Newsletter

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