2013-06 int. E31 meeting in Wien

1. Per & Maria ( Pelle ) 850i
2. Christer & Emilia 850CI
3. Terje & Chanette + Camilla ( Huldra66 ) 850CSi
4. Adrian Jektvik ( Adrian ) 850i
5. Jan & Grete Pedersen ( Japed ) 850i
6. Egil Rasch Sandvik ( Noggie ) 850i
7. Thor Egil lerbrekk ( lerbrekk ) 850Ci
8. Pål Rønning ( most likely coming ) Alpina 22/57
9. Daniel & Maria (Daniel) 850i
10. Alexander (Alexandek) 850i
11. Peter A 850Ci
12. Wolf Ganssauge ( Wokke ) 850i ( Now Ci ? )
13. Michael & Dagmar ( Micha & Daggi ) 850i
14. Marc Xavier
15. Antonin Teyssier
16. Dave Gelauff
17. Tristan Courtois
18. Jimmy Dray
19. Marzena & Piotr ( kuchel ) 850CSi
20. Alex ( alex850i ) 850i
21. Fredi (Switzerland) 850
22. Rolf (Switzerland) 850
23. Ferdi (Switzerland) 850
24. Pädi (Switzerland)
25. Bruno (Switzerland) 850
26. Martin & Christoph (Switzerland) 850
27. Richard (SmileitsMe Austria) 850, maybe with Hans Peter (Shark) & Nadine+ Junior
28. Maik, Claudi & Mika (Balbo01) 850
29. Armin & Lucia (Daten-Salat) Alpina 46/57 (if not on 2013 Alpina & 8er tour)
30. hermann und Sepp BMW E31
31. ENGL (Thomas A. u. Sabine) 850
32. hddmax (Harald/Brigitte/Robert/Verena)
33. Sven K + 1 (Sweden)

Zitat von DickB;103539

Hello,

We will come also!

Gerrie & Dick

You need to sign on the list as well
any other coming from your club?

Regards
Terje

Full name - Christian Hoitsch
8er ID - christian
Nation - AUSTRIA
Car license and model - GU-801CW BMW 850i
Handy tel. number - PN
Single or double room - single
Other Persons in your room - 0
Other Passengers in your car - 0
Estimated arrival VIE time and date - not yet decided, Fr, 7 June
Estimated departure VIE time and date - not yet decided, Sun, 9 June
Do you need to be picked up at VIE APT- no

1. Per & Maria ( Pelle ) 850i
2. Christer & Emilia 850CI
3. Terje & Chanette + Camilla ( Huldra66 ) 850CSi
4. Adrian Jektvik ( Adrian ) 850i
5. Jan & Grete Pedersen ( Japed ) 850i
6. Egil Rasch Sandvik ( Noggie ) 850i
7. Thor Egil lerbrekk ( lerbrekk ) 850Ci
8. Pål Rønning ( most likely coming ) Alpina 22/57
9. Daniel & Maria (Daniel) 850i
10. Alexander (Alexandek) 850i
11. Peter A 850Ci
12. Wolf Ganssauge ( Wokke ) 850i ( Now Ci ? )
13. Michael & Dagmar ( Micha & Daggi ) 850i
14. Marc Xavier
15. Antonin Teyssier
16. Dave Gelauff
17. Tristan Courtois
18. Jimmy Dray
19. Marzena & Piotr ( kuchel ) 850CSi
20. Alex ( alex850i ) 850i
21. Fredi (Switzerland) 850
22. Rolf (Switzerland) 850
23. Ferdi (Switzerland) 850
24. Pädi (Switzerland)
25. Bruno (Switzerland) 850
26. Martin & Christoph (Switzerland) 850
27. Richard (SmileitsMe Austria) 850, maybe with Hans Peter (Shark) & Nadine+ Junior
28. Maik, Claudi & Mika (Balbo01) 850
29. Armin & Lucia (Daten-Salat) Alpina 46/57 (if not on 2013 Alpina & 8er tour)
30. hermann und Sepp BMW E31
31. ENGL (Thomas A. u. Sabine) 850
32. hddmax (Harald/Brigitte/Robert/Verena)
33. Sven K + 1 (Sweden)
34. christian (Austria) 850i

Zitat von huldra66;103565

You need to sign on the list as well
any other coming from your club?

Regards
Terje

Don't know that Terje, I've put it on our forum yesterday....


1. Per & Maria ( Pelle ) 850i
2. Christer & Emilia 850CI
3. Terje & Chanette + Camilla ( Huldra66 ) 850CSi
4. Adrian Jektvik ( Adrian ) 850i
5. Jan & Grete Pedersen ( Japed ) 850i
6. Egil Rasch Sandvik ( Noggie ) 850i
7. Thor Egil lerbrekk ( lerbrekk ) 850Ci
8. Pål Rønning ( most likely coming ) Alpina 22/57
9. Daniel & Maria (Daniel) 850i
10. Alexander (Alexandek) 850i
11. Peter A 850Ci
12. Wolf Ganssauge ( Wokke ) 850i ( Now Ci ? )
13. Michael & Dagmar ( Micha & Daggi ) 850i
14. Marc Xavier
15. Antonin Teyssier
16. Dave Gelauff(Nederland)
17. Tristan Courtois
18. Jimmy Dray
19. Marzena & Piotr ( kuchel ) 850CSi
20. Alex ( alex850i ) 850i
21. Fredi (Switzerland) 850
22. Rolf (Switzerland) 850
23. Ferdi (Switzerland) 850
24. Pädi (Switzerland)
25. Bruno (Switzerland) 850
26. Martin & Christoph (Switzerland) 850
27. Richard (SmileitsMe Austria) 850, maybe with Hans Peter (Shark) & Nadine+ Junior
28. Maik, Claudi & Mika (Balbo01) 850
29. Armin & Lucia (Daten-Salat) Alpina 46/57 (if not on 2013 Alpina & 8er tour)
30. hermann und Sepp BMW E31
31. ENGL (Thomas A. u. Sabine) 850
32. hddmax (Harald/Brigitte/Robert/Verena)
33. Sven K + 1 (Sweden)
34. christian (Austria) 850i
35. Gerrie & Dick (Nederland)850 AC-Schnitzer

Dear colleagues:

What's in the word - MEETING - and what is not?

Well, let me see if I can explain this simply and easily.

For the past few years I have been trying to comprehend what our events were all about (most of which use the word "meeting") and whether or not I should or could attend.

The word English word "meeting" has been used for all of the following which are very different events:

- ANNUAL BOARD MEETINGS (a periodic business conference)
- STEYR AUSTRIA MEETING 2009 (BMW engine factory tour)
- MUNICH MEETING DINGOLFING 2011 (a board meeting and BMW factory tour)
- STUTTGART MEETING 2012 (a Mercedes museum tour)
- PARIS MEETING 2012 (an annual board meeting)
- VIENNA MEETING 2013 (a city tour and a "rally" - road trip/convoy/parade)

Note that the confusion arises between the German and the English connotations versus the various definitions of the word "meeting" in conjunction with the above events.

In German - a social or casual get together is correctly a TREFFEN
In German - an ANNUAL BOARD MEETING is correctly JAHRLICHE SITZUNG

In English - the ANNUAL BOARD MEETINGS are correctly stated
In English - the factory or museum visits are correctly TOURS or VISITS
In English - a get together that involves road trips/convoys is correctly a RALLY

So a get together is a TREFFEN or a RALLY - both can be considered meetings - but a meeting in English implies a CONFERENCE not a social event.

Note that the term RALLY in English encompasses a planned rendezvous or a spontaneous meeting of multiple parties or military units or aircraft or emergency services - a MOTOR RALLY is more specific and implies a race or competition but can also be just and old-timer convoy or parade or road trip.

Initially - and now again, my designation for this event is RALLY for all the reasons explained above and because it is open to the larger club membership, families and friends.

Please use this title International BMW 8er.org RALLY -VIENNA 2013 when making your hotel reservations - our local BMW sponsor and media are keyed to it as well - my goal is to enhance our media profile and attract new members in the area.

As it stands tonight - we already have 35 cars and circa 50 people attending - so I would advise a separate ANNUAL BOARD MEETING or incorporate a maximum of 2 hours in the RALLY agenda on SUNDAY MORNING 0900-1100 or MONDAY MORNING for the board to meet in CLOSED SESSION.

In closing, I recommend and encourage our board members and colleagues to consider these ENGLISH terms and translations when designating the main purpose and activity of future events and to indicate WHO can or should attend and WHY:

- ANNUAL BOARD MEETING
- TOURS or VISITS
- RALLY

With every best wish, Prof. Jack

I believe the term is used based on the term "to meet", and to make it sound better the "to" is left out and the "-ing" added to the end.
I agree that the term "meeting" usually stipulates a formal gathering with the goal to reach some conclusion on a specific topic or matter.

In the Scandinavian countries we use a derivation of the German "Treffen" called "Treff" when talking about enthusiasts coming together for a social event.

I have seen several native English speaking people using the word meeting regarding similar events in the past.

Looking at this dictionary definition I'm not entirely sure it is completely wrong to use the term as it has been used.
1. The act or process or an instance of coming together; an encounter.
2. An assembly or gathering of people, as for a business, social, or religious purpose.

However I will abide and refer to it as Rally.

Oh, and 35 cars is really great, think this will be a huge success.

Hi Egil -

Yes - to all of yours my friend - especially with regard to TREFFEN or TREFF which this event clearly is in German usage.

Excepting - to note again - that there is a difference in denotation versus connotation, between your Norwegian understanding of English usage versus dictionary definition and mine as an American university professor - if the event was a few hours long in a room or conference center it would clearly be a meeting - which is substantively different from a car-based driving and museum touring activity spanning several days, several countries and many miles - that is the difference.

Many thanks for yours, if I didn't misspell a word it is because I am not Norwegian, so bear with me....Smile, Jack

Two more signing up from Poland , had to help him as he did not understand the registration prosess , but he will try again.

1. Per & Maria ( Pelle ) 850i
2. Christer & Emilia 850CI
3. Terje & Chanette + Camilla ( Huldra66 ) 850CSi
4. Adrian Jektvik ( Adrian ) 850i
5. Jan & Grete Pedersen ( Japed ) 850i
6. Egil Rasch Sandvik ( Noggie ) 850i
7. Thor Egil lerbrekk ( lerbrekk ) 850Ci
8. Pål Rønning ( most likely coming ) Alpina 22/57
9. Daniel & Maria (Daniel) 850i
10. Alexander (Alexandek) 850i
11. Peter A 850Ci
12. Wolf Ganssauge ( Wokke ) 850i ( Now Ci ? )
13. Michael & Dagmar ( Micha & Daggi ) 850i
14. Marc Xavier
15. Antonin Teyssier
16. Dave Gelauff(Nederland)
17. Tristan Courtois
18. Jimmy Dray
19. Marzena & Piotr ( kuchel ) 850CSi
20. Alex ( alex850i ) 850i
21. Fredi (Switzerland) 850
22. Rolf (Switzerland) 850
23. Ferdi (Switzerland) 850
24. Pädi (Switzerland)
25. Bruno (Switzerland) 850
26. Martin & Christoph (Switzerland) 850
27. Richard (SmileitsMe Austria) 850, maybe with Hans Peter (Shark) & Nadine+ Junior
28. Maik, Claudi & Mika (Balbo01) 850
29. Armin & Lucia (Daten-Salat) Alpina 46/57 (if not on 2013 Alpina & 8er tour)
30. hermann und Sepp BMW E31
31. ENGL (Thomas A. u. Sabine) 850
32. hddmax (Harald/Brigitte/Robert/Verena)
33. Sven K + 1 (Sweden)
34. christian (Austria) 850i
35. Gerrie & Dick (Nederland)850 AC-Schnitzer
36. Adam Naguszewski & no name yet. Polish 850i
37. Sebastian Kwapiński & Monika Kwapińska 840

Full name - Adam Naguszewski
8er ID - ogorek (not on the forum)
Nation - Polish
Car license and model - GD10C BMW 850i
Handy tel. number - 0048 88877474
Single or double room - Double
Other Persons in your room - 1, dont know yet
Other Passengers in your car - 1 dont know yet
Estimated arrival VIE time and date - 1500, FRI 7 JUNE
Estimated departure VIE time and date - 1800, SUN 9 JUNE
Do you need to be picked up at VIE APT- ??? no sure
Will you stay and vacation in VIE longer than SUNDAY? not sure

Full name - Sebastian Kwapiński
8er ID - napomucen (not on the forum)
Nation - Polish
Car license and model - ES2980 BMW 840, M engine + kompressor
Handy tel. number - 0048 600259736
Single or double room - Double
Other Persons in your room - 1, Monika Kwapińska
Other Passengers in your car - 1 Monika Kwapińska
Estimated arrival VIE time and date - 1500, FRI 7 JUNE
Estimated departure VIE time and date - 1800, SUN 9 JUNE
Do you need to be picked up at VIE APT- ??? no sure
Will you stay and vacation in VIE longer than SUNDAY? not sure

Dear Colleagues: Regards actually booking your hotel reservations in Vienna now - it would be better to wait until I at least confirm the contract and lock-in prices, services and details with the hotel on Monday, 17 OCT...YES, I am very grateful for all your enthusiasm and suggestions and advice. Please wait for the RALLY SOP (instructions) to be posted - if everybody now starts giving instructions one year before the event it will be chaos. Cheers, Jack

Hi Jack!

by the way..

We used 2009 the term convention..

you wrote.. - STEYR AUSTRIA MEETING 2009 (BMW engine factory tour)

but it was..
2009-08-27..30 - AT - International 8 Series Convention Austria

Convention.. a large formal assembly of a group with common interests

German..;
Convention ist eine Veranstaltung, auf der sich Menschen mit gleichartigen Interessen treffen, um andere Gleichgesinnte kennenzulernen, sich mit ihnen über ihr Hobby auszutauschen und teilweise diesem auch nachzugehen.

So it´s the same meaning in English and German

Hi Richard -

Yes of course - CONVENTION - definitely works better than meeting too...

But, note the criteria "FORMAL" and that it does not imply nor reflect outside activities or driving or touring...if you say convention to an American he assumes a big gathering with displays and shows in a HALL or a fixed location like a Convention Center.

Again - keep in mind that dictionary definitions in any language (while seemingly correct or sufficient to non-native speakers) - do not always capture the peculiarities inherent in practical USAGE...

In any case - we are getting there - together!

Thanks for yours - looking forward to seeing you again - why don't you zoom by the Kingston Ranch on Bergsiedlung at A-2572 Kaumberg for a drink?

Cheers, Jack

We wil say what we always do: Meeting (in English & Dutch), because we are Dutch and the rebels of the world....

Good for you!

What language is "weekendmeeting" - German, English, Dutch or Martian?

AsIalwaysdoIwilluseproperenglishtermswhenwritingandspeakinginenglishasthepreferredeventlanguageusingtheeventtitlethat thehosthasdesignatedforhotelreservationspublicrelationsandsponsorsupportpurposesbutyourebelsfromthelowcountriescancertainlycallitwhateveryouwishasyoualwaysdo.

Cheers, Jack

Let's say: Dutch, than it can't go wrong....

Hey Richard - No doubt you are correct - but just for the record when I was invited to STEYR in 2009 it was referred to as a meeting beforehand, during the tour and afterwards - at least by the folks I had contact with - like Fredi etc... Cheers, Jack

hahhahahahha...good to go!

Vienna rally 2013 - it's all about the cars!

Yo Wolf -

Well, YES - that is my point exactly - to me - a RALLY is:
FUN
ACTION
FANS
CARS
TECHIES
DRIVERS
and GEARHEADS ...

A "meeting" is boring, business, table-talk and pedantic pinheads...

Amen...

I hope...

Jack